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		<title>作者：Xavier</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[自由是且只是免于强制。强制是指国家机器吗，那来自道德与文化的约束是强制吗，如果是，这种强制如何得以免于？]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>自由是且只是免于强制。强制是指国家机器吗，那来自道德与文化的约束是强制吗，如果是，这种强制如何得以免于？</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[文化大革命呢？算是社会性的副产吧  
大多数文化知识不足的人，被潮流裹挟。
一个普通人，怎么才能做到不被裹挟？]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>文化大革命呢？算是社会性的副产吧<br />
大多数文化知识不足的人，被潮流裹挟。<br />
一个普通人，怎么才能做到不被裹挟？</p>
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		<title>作者：辉格</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Mar 2013 19:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ayn Rand vs. the Pygmies
Did human evolution favor individualists or altruists?
By Eric Michael Johnson&#124;Posted Wednesday, Oct. 3, 2012, at 12:02 AM

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_evolution/2012/10/groups_and_gossip_drove_the_evolution_of_human_nature.single.html 

One person can’t hold up the whole world alone.

Illustration by Nathaniel Gold.

Black-and-white colobus monkeys scrambled through the branches of Congo’s Ituri Forest in 1957 as a small band of Mbuti hunters wound cautiously through the undergrowth, joined by anthropologist Colin Turnbull. The Mbuti are pygmies, about 4 feet tall, but they are powerful and tough. Any one of them could take down an elephant with only a short-handled spear. Recent genetic evidence suggests that pygmies have lived in this region for about 60,000 years. But this particular hunt reflected a timeless ethical conflict for our species, and one that has special relevance for contemporary American society.

The Mbuti employed long nets of twined liana bark to catch their prey, sometimes stretching the nets for 300 feet. Once the nets were hung, women and children began shouting, yelling, and beating the ground to frighten animals toward the trap. As Turnbull came to understand, Mbuti hunts were collective efforts in which each hunter’s success belonged to everybody else. But one man, a rugged individualist named Cephu, had other ideas. When no one was looking, Cephu slipped away to set up his own net in front of the others. “In this way he caught the first of the animals fleeing from the beaters,” explained Turnbull in his book The Forest People, “but he had not been able to retreat before he was discovered.” Word spread among camp members that Cephu had been trying to steal meat from the tribe, and a consensus quickly developed that he should answer for this crime.

At an impromptu trial, Cephu defended himself with arguments for individual initiative and personal responsibility. “He felt he deserved a better place in the line of nets,” Turnbull wrote. “After all, was he not an important man, a chief, in fact, of his own band?” But if that were the case, replied a respected member of the camp, Cephu should leave and never return. The Mbuti have no chiefs, they are a society of equals in which redistribution governs everyone’s livelihood. The rest of the camp sat in silent agreement.
Faced with banishment, a punishment nearly equivalent to a death sentence, Cephu relented. “He apologized profusely,” Turnbull wrote, “and said that in any case he would hand over all the meat.” This ended the matter, and members of the group pulled chunks of meat from Cephu’s basket. He clutched his stomach and moaned, begging that he be left with something to eat. The others merely laughed and walked away with their pound of flesh. Like the mythical figure Atlas from Greek antiquity, condemned by vindictive gods to carry the world on his shoulders for all eternity, Cephu was bound to support the tribe whether he chose to or not.

Meanwhile, in the concrete jungle of New York City, another struggle between the individual and the group was unfolding. In October of 1957, Ayn Rand published her dystopian novel Atlas Shrugged, in which a libertarian hero named John Galt condemns his collectivist society because of its failure to support individual rights. “By the grace of reality and the nature of life, man—every man—is an end in himself,” Galt announced, “he exists for his own sake, and the achievement of his own happiness is his highest moral purpose.” Unlike Cephu, Galt had the means to end his societal bondage. By withdrawing his participation and convincing others to do the same, he would stop the motor of the world. Atlas would shrug. “Every living species has a way of survival demanded by its nature,” Galt insisted. “I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”
Ayn Rand’s defense of a human nature based on rationality and individual achievement, with capitalism as its natural extension, became the rallying cry for an emerging libertarian stripe in conservative American politics. Paul Ryan cites Atlas Shrugged as forming the basis of his value system and says it was one of the main reasons he chose to enter politics. Other notable admirers include Rush Limbaugh, Alan Greenspan, Clarence Thomas, as well as Congressional Tea Party Caucus members Steve King, Mick Mulvaney, and Allen West.

“Collectivism,” Rand wrote in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, “is the tribal premise of primordial savages who, unable to conceive of individual rights, believed that the tribe is a supreme, omnipotent ruler, that it owns the lives of its members and may sacrifice them whenever it pleases.” An objective understanding of “man’s nature and man’s relationship to existence” should inoculate society from the disease of altruistic morality and economic redistribution. Therefore, “one must begin by identifying man’s nature, i.e., those essential characteristics which distinguish him from all other living species.” She identifies two: a brain evolved for rational thought and a survival instinct based on the desire for personal freedom.
Ultimately, Rand was searching for the origin of John Galt in the pages of human nature. But was she right? Are we rational egotists trapped in a net of social obligations? Or are we an innately social species for whom altruism was integral to our success on this planet? There was only one place she could look: the Pleistocene.

The Pleistocene epoch, from 2.6 million to 11,700 years ago, was a formative time in our species’ development. The first members of the genus Homo began to walk the great savannas of Africa at the beginning of this epoch. In a little more than 2 million years, we went from loose aggregations of bonobo-like bipeds, traveling upright between patches of forest, to highly integrated societies made up of multiple families and clans. By studying the archaeological record as well as modern-day hunter-gatherers, evolutionary scientists have been constructing a record of how our early human ancestors made this journey. It is clear that John Galt was not present in our ancestral family tree.

Christopher Boehm has been studying the interplay between the desires of an individual and that of the larger group for more than 40 years. Currently the director of the Jane Goodall Research Center and professor of anthropology and biological sciences at the University of Southern California, he has conducted fieldwork with both human and nonhuman primates and has published more than 60 scholarly articles and books on the problem of altruism. In his newest book, Moral Origins: The Evolution of Virtue, Altruism, and Shame, Boehm synthesizes this research to address the question of why, out of all the social primates, are humans so altruistic?

&quot;There are two ways of trying to create a good life,&quot; Boehm states. &quot;One is by punishing evil, and the other is by actively promoting virtue.&quot; Boehm&#039;s theory of social selection does both. The term altruism can be defined as extra-familial generosity (as opposed to nepotism among relatives). Boehm thinks the evolution of human altruism can be understood by studying the moral rules of hunter-gatherer societies. He and a research assistant have recently gone through thousands of pages of anthropological field reports on the 150 hunter-gatherer societies around the world that he calls &quot;Late-Pleistocene Appropriate&quot; (LPA), or those societies that continue to live as our ancestors once did. By coding the reports for categories of social behavior such as aid to nonrelatives, group shaming, or the execution of social deviants, Boehm is able to determine how common those behaviors are.

What he has found is in direct opposition to Ayn Rand&#039;s selfish ideal. For example, in 100 percent of LPA societies—ranging from the Andaman Islanders of the Indian Ocean archipelago to the Inuit of Northern Alaska—generosity or altruism is always favored toward relatives and nonrelatives alike, with sharing and cooperation being the most cited moral values. Of course, this does not mean that everyone in these societies always follow these values. In 100 percent of LPA societies there was at least one incidence of theft or murder, 80 percent had a case in which someone refused to share, and in 30 percent of societies someone tried to cheat the group (as in the case of Cephu).

What makes these violations of moral rules so instructive is how societies choose to deal with them. Ultimately, it all comes down to gossip. More than tool-making, art, or even language, gossip is a human universal that is a defining feature of our species (though this could change if we ever learn to translate the complex communication system in whales or dolphins). Gossip is intimately connected with the moral rules of a given society, and individuals gain or lose prestige in their group depending on how well they follow these rules. This formation of group opinion is something to be feared, particularly in small rural communities where ostracism or expulsion could mean death. &quot;Public opinion, facilitated by gossiping, always guides the band&#039;s decision process,&quot; Boehm writes, &quot;and fear of gossip all by itself serves as a preemptive social deterrent because most people are so sensitive about their reputations.&quot; A good reputation enhances the prestige of those individuals who engage in altruistic behavior, while marginalizing those with a bad reputation. Since prestige is intimately involved with how desirable a person is to the opposite sex, gossip serves as a positive selection pressure for enhancing traits associated with altruism. That is, being good can get you laid, and this will perpetuate your altruistic genes (or, at least, those genes that allow you to resist cheating other members of your group).

Sometimes gossip is not enough to reduce or eliminate antisocial behavior. In Boehm&#039;s analysis of LPA societies, public opinion and spatial distancing were the most common responses to misbehavior (100 percent of the societies coded). But other tactics included permanent expulsion (40 percent), group shaming (60 percent), group-sponsored execution (70 percent), or nonlethal physical punishment (90 percent). In the case of expulsion or execution, the result over time would be that traits promoting antisocial behavior would be reduced in the populations. In other words, the effect of social selection would be that altruists would have higher overall fitness and out-reproduce free riders. The biological basis for morality in our species could therefore result from these positive and negative pressures carried out generation after generation among our Pleistocene ancestors. Who is John Galt? He refused to participate in society and no one has seen him since.

In fairness to the Russian-born Ayn Rand, the collectivist society she was most opposed to was the Soviet regime, which justified its consolidation of power with the veneer of altruism. Rand&#039;s mistake was in essentializing the distinction between &quot;individualist freedom&quot; vs. &quot;collectivist tyranny&quot; and then transporting it into our human past.

However, deep in the Ituri Forest was a man Ayn Rand might have felt a bond with. Cephu had a reputation as someone who valued himself above all others long before he decided to maximize his personal profit margin on the community hunt. As Turnbull found when talking to the Mbuti tribesmen, Cephu never joined the rest of the group at breakfast whenever they strategized about where to set their nets. He would simply follow along once the decision had been made. To make matters worse, he was often loud and would frighten the animals away before they got close to the trap. Whenever he did get his share of the community meat, he would always take it to his own campsite rather than eat with everyone else (and could sometimes be heard yelling insults at the main camp once he was there). According to Turnbull, nearly everyone was irritated with Cephu&#039;s self-serving behavior and gossiped about it. But most members of the community tolerated him in order to maintain unity. &quot;Rather than cause an open breach,&quot; Turnbull wrote, &quot;everyone in the main camp kept his thoughts to himself and was silent.&quot; But finally Cephu went one step too far.

&quot;Cephu committed what is probably one of the most heinous crimes in Pygmy eyes, and one that rarely occurs. Yet the case was settled simply and effectively,&quot; Turnbull concluded. Among the Mbuti, as with most hunter-gatherer societies, altruism and equality are systems that enhance individual freedom. Following these moral rules helps prevent any one individual from taking advantage of others or even dominating the group as a whole because of unequal privileges. However, just as it is in our society, the negotiation between the individual and the group is always a work in progress. Perhaps that is why, after the Mbuti had feasted on the day&#039;s successful hunt, one member of the group slipped away to give the still moaning Cephu some of the cooked meat and mushroom sauce that everyone else had enjoyed. Later that night, Cephu turned up at the main camp, where he sat on the ground and sang songs with the rest of his tribe. Holding up the world isn’t so trying when there are others who can lend a helping hand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ayn Rand vs. the Pygmies<br />
Did human evolution favor individualists or altruists?<br />
By Eric Michael Johnson|Posted Wednesday, Oct. 3, 2012, at 12:02 AM</p>
<p><a href="http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_evolution/2012/10/groups_and_gossip_drove_the_evolution_of_human_nature.single.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_evolution/2012/10/groups_and_gossip_drove_the_evolution_of_human_nature.single.html</a> </p>
<p>One person can’t hold up the whole world alone.</p>
<p>Illustration by Nathaniel Gold.</p>
<p>Black-and-white colobus monkeys scrambled through the branches of Congo’s Ituri Forest in 1957 as a small band of Mbuti hunters wound cautiously through the undergrowth, joined by anthropologist Colin Turnbull. The Mbuti are pygmies, about 4 feet tall, but they are powerful and tough. Any one of them could take down an elephant with only a short-handled spear. Recent genetic evidence suggests that pygmies have lived in this region for about 60,000 years. But this particular hunt reflected a timeless ethical conflict for our species, and one that has special relevance for contemporary American society.</p>
<p>The Mbuti employed long nets of twined liana bark to catch their prey, sometimes stretching the nets for 300 feet. Once the nets were hung, women and children began shouting, yelling, and beating the ground to frighten animals toward the trap. As Turnbull came to understand, Mbuti hunts were collective efforts in which each hunter’s success belonged to everybody else. But one man, a rugged individualist named Cephu, had other ideas. When no one was looking, Cephu slipped away to set up his own net in front of the others. “In this way he caught the first of the animals fleeing from the beaters,” explained Turnbull in his book The Forest People, “but he had not been able to retreat before he was discovered.” Word spread among camp members that Cephu had been trying to steal meat from the tribe, and a consensus quickly developed that he should answer for this crime.</p>
<p>At an impromptu trial, Cephu defended himself with arguments for individual initiative and personal responsibility. “He felt he deserved a better place in the line of nets,” Turnbull wrote. “After all, was he not an important man, a chief, in fact, of his own band?” But if that were the case, replied a respected member of the camp, Cephu should leave and never return. The Mbuti have no chiefs, they are a society of equals in which redistribution governs everyone’s livelihood. The rest of the camp sat in silent agreement.<br />
Faced with banishment, a punishment nearly equivalent to a death sentence, Cephu relented. “He apologized profusely,” Turnbull wrote, “and said that in any case he would hand over all the meat.” This ended the matter, and members of the group pulled chunks of meat from Cephu’s basket. He clutched his stomach and moaned, begging that he be left with something to eat. The others merely laughed and walked away with their pound of flesh. Like the mythical figure Atlas from Greek antiquity, condemned by vindictive gods to carry the world on his shoulders for all eternity, Cephu was bound to support the tribe whether he chose to or not.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, in the concrete jungle of New York City, another struggle between the individual and the group was unfolding. In October of 1957, Ayn Rand published her dystopian novel Atlas Shrugged, in which a libertarian hero named John Galt condemns his collectivist society because of its failure to support individual rights. “By the grace of reality and the nature of life, man—every man—is an end in himself,” Galt announced, “he exists for his own sake, and the achievement of his own happiness is his highest moral purpose.” Unlike Cephu, Galt had the means to end his societal bondage. By withdrawing his participation and convincing others to do the same, he would stop the motor of the world. Atlas would shrug. “Every living species has a way of survival demanded by its nature,” Galt insisted. “I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.”<br />
Ayn Rand’s defense of a human nature based on rationality and individual achievement, with capitalism as its natural extension, became the rallying cry for an emerging libertarian stripe in conservative American politics. Paul Ryan cites Atlas Shrugged as forming the basis of his value system and says it was one of the main reasons he chose to enter politics. Other notable admirers include Rush Limbaugh, Alan Greenspan, Clarence Thomas, as well as Congressional Tea Party Caucus members Steve King, Mick Mulvaney, and Allen West.</p>
<p>“Collectivism,” Rand wrote in Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, “is the tribal premise of primordial savages who, unable to conceive of individual rights, believed that the tribe is a supreme, omnipotent ruler, that it owns the lives of its members and may sacrifice them whenever it pleases.” An objective understanding of “man’s nature and man’s relationship to existence” should inoculate society from the disease of altruistic morality and economic redistribution. Therefore, “one must begin by identifying man’s nature, i.e., those essential characteristics which distinguish him from all other living species.” She identifies two: a brain evolved for rational thought and a survival instinct based on the desire for personal freedom.<br />
Ultimately, Rand was searching for the origin of John Galt in the pages of human nature. But was she right? Are we rational egotists trapped in a net of social obligations? Or are we an innately social species for whom altruism was integral to our success on this planet? There was only one place she could look: the Pleistocene.</p>
<p>The Pleistocene epoch, from 2.6 million to 11,700 years ago, was a formative time in our species’ development. The first members of the genus Homo began to walk the great savannas of Africa at the beginning of this epoch. In a little more than 2 million years, we went from loose aggregations of bonobo-like bipeds, traveling upright between patches of forest, to highly integrated societies made up of multiple families and clans. By studying the archaeological record as well as modern-day hunter-gatherers, evolutionary scientists have been constructing a record of how our early human ancestors made this journey. It is clear that John Galt was not present in our ancestral family tree.</p>
<p>Christopher Boehm has been studying the interplay between the desires of an individual and that of the larger group for more than 40 years. Currently the director of the Jane Goodall Research Center and professor of anthropology and biological sciences at the University of Southern California, he has conducted fieldwork with both human and nonhuman primates and has published more than 60 scholarly articles and books on the problem of altruism. In his newest book, Moral Origins: The Evolution of Virtue, Altruism, and Shame, Boehm synthesizes this research to address the question of why, out of all the social primates, are humans so altruistic?</p>
<p>&#8220;There are two ways of trying to create a good life,&#8221; Boehm states. &#8220;One is by punishing evil, and the other is by actively promoting virtue.&#8221; Boehm&#8217;s theory of social selection does both. The term altruism can be defined as extra-familial generosity (as opposed to nepotism among relatives). Boehm thinks the evolution of human altruism can be understood by studying the moral rules of hunter-gatherer societies. He and a research assistant have recently gone through thousands of pages of anthropological field reports on the 150 hunter-gatherer societies around the world that he calls &#8220;Late-Pleistocene Appropriate&#8221; (LPA), or those societies that continue to live as our ancestors once did. By coding the reports for categories of social behavior such as aid to nonrelatives, group shaming, or the execution of social deviants, Boehm is able to determine how common those behaviors are.</p>
<p>What he has found is in direct opposition to Ayn Rand&#8217;s selfish ideal. For example, in 100 percent of LPA societies—ranging from the Andaman Islanders of the Indian Ocean archipelago to the Inuit of Northern Alaska—generosity or altruism is always favored toward relatives and nonrelatives alike, with sharing and cooperation being the most cited moral values. Of course, this does not mean that everyone in these societies always follow these values. In 100 percent of LPA societies there was at least one incidence of theft or murder, 80 percent had a case in which someone refused to share, and in 30 percent of societies someone tried to cheat the group (as in the case of Cephu).</p>
<p>What makes these violations of moral rules so instructive is how societies choose to deal with them. Ultimately, it all comes down to gossip. More than tool-making, art, or even language, gossip is a human universal that is a defining feature of our species (though this could change if we ever learn to translate the complex communication system in whales or dolphins). Gossip is intimately connected with the moral rules of a given society, and individuals gain or lose prestige in their group depending on how well they follow these rules. This formation of group opinion is something to be feared, particularly in small rural communities where ostracism or expulsion could mean death. &#8220;Public opinion, facilitated by gossiping, always guides the band&#8217;s decision process,&#8221; Boehm writes, &#8220;and fear of gossip all by itself serves as a preemptive social deterrent because most people are so sensitive about their reputations.&#8221; A good reputation enhances the prestige of those individuals who engage in altruistic behavior, while marginalizing those with a bad reputation. Since prestige is intimately involved with how desirable a person is to the opposite sex, gossip serves as a positive selection pressure for enhancing traits associated with altruism. That is, being good can get you laid, and this will perpetuate your altruistic genes (or, at least, those genes that allow you to resist cheating other members of your group).</p>
<p>Sometimes gossip is not enough to reduce or eliminate antisocial behavior. In Boehm&#8217;s analysis of LPA societies, public opinion and spatial distancing were the most common responses to misbehavior (100 percent of the societies coded). But other tactics included permanent expulsion (40 percent), group shaming (60 percent), group-sponsored execution (70 percent), or nonlethal physical punishment (90 percent). In the case of expulsion or execution, the result over time would be that traits promoting antisocial behavior would be reduced in the populations. In other words, the effect of social selection would be that altruists would have higher overall fitness and out-reproduce free riders. The biological basis for morality in our species could therefore result from these positive and negative pressures carried out generation after generation among our Pleistocene ancestors. Who is John Galt? He refused to participate in society and no one has seen him since.</p>
<p>In fairness to the Russian-born Ayn Rand, the collectivist society she was most opposed to was the Soviet regime, which justified its consolidation of power with the veneer of altruism. Rand&#8217;s mistake was in essentializing the distinction between &#8220;individualist freedom&#8221; vs. &#8220;collectivist tyranny&#8221; and then transporting it into our human past.</p>
<p>However, deep in the Ituri Forest was a man Ayn Rand might have felt a bond with. Cephu had a reputation as someone who valued himself above all others long before he decided to maximize his personal profit margin on the community hunt. As Turnbull found when talking to the Mbuti tribesmen, Cephu never joined the rest of the group at breakfast whenever they strategized about where to set their nets. He would simply follow along once the decision had been made. To make matters worse, he was often loud and would frighten the animals away before they got close to the trap. Whenever he did get his share of the community meat, he would always take it to his own campsite rather than eat with everyone else (and could sometimes be heard yelling insults at the main camp once he was there). According to Turnbull, nearly everyone was irritated with Cephu&#8217;s self-serving behavior and gossiped about it. But most members of the community tolerated him in order to maintain unity. &#8220;Rather than cause an open breach,&#8221; Turnbull wrote, &#8220;everyone in the main camp kept his thoughts to himself and was silent.&#8221; But finally Cephu went one step too far.</p>
<p>&#8220;Cephu committed what is probably one of the most heinous crimes in Pygmy eyes, and one that rarely occurs. Yet the case was settled simply and effectively,&#8221; Turnbull concluded. Among the Mbuti, as with most hunter-gatherer societies, altruism and equality are systems that enhance individual freedom. Following these moral rules helps prevent any one individual from taking advantage of others or even dominating the group as a whole because of unequal privileges. However, just as it is in our society, the negotiation between the individual and the group is always a work in progress. Perhaps that is why, after the Mbuti had feasted on the day&#8217;s successful hunt, one member of the group slipped away to give the still moaning Cephu some of the cooked meat and mushroom sauce that everyone else had enjoyed. Later that night, Cephu turned up at the main camp, where he sat on the ground and sang songs with the rest of his tribe. Holding up the world isn’t so trying when there are others who can lend a helping hand.</p>
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		<title>作者：范</title>
		<link>https://headsalon.org/archives/4361.html#comment-19058</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[范]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 09:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[没有人是天生的看淡物质享受，说这类话的人都是具备一定物质能力的。]]></description>
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		<title>作者：范</title>
		<link>https://headsalon.org/archives/4361.html#comment-19055</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[范]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 09:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[耸肩表达一种情绪还可以，没有数目众多的庸人存在，精英也一文不值。]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>耸肩表达一种情绪还可以，没有数目众多的庸人存在，精英也一文不值。</p>
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		<title>作者：zhang3</title>
		<link>https://headsalon.org/archives/4361.html#comment-10408</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zhang3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 05:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[不过现代市场化的社会不同于传统人格化社会的特点是这种内化可以具备多个不同的方向,与原先自我的&quot;天性&quot;更少产生冲突.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>不过现代市场化的社会不同于传统人格化社会的特点是这种内化可以具备多个不同的方向,与原先自我的&#8221;天性&#8221;更少产生冲突.</p>
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		<title>作者：501HIT</title>
		<link>https://headsalon.org/archives/4361.html#comment-10406</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[501HIT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 03:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“兰德所奉行的，确实是一种个人主义，但那是一种非合作性的、独行侠式的个人主义”
确实，看她理想中的山谷，就是这样一个制度。每个人都有局限。]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“兰德所奉行的，确实是一种个人主义，但那是一种非合作性的、独行侠式的个人主义”<br />
确实，看她理想中的山谷，就是这样一个制度。每个人都有局限。</p>
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		<title>作者：阿斗</title>
		<link>https://headsalon.org/archives/4361.html#comment-10388</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[阿斗]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[文章好懂，评论都好晦涩难懂啊。。。。。。。。。

难道这就是所谓的上课都懂了，一做课外书的题就全不会了？还是不要看课外书了。。。]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>文章好懂，评论都好晦涩难懂啊。。。。。。。。。</p>
<p>难道这就是所谓的上课都懂了，一做课外书的题就全不会了？还是不要看课外书了。。。</p>
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		<title>作者：辉格</title>
		<link>https://headsalon.org/archives/4361.html#comment-10384</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[辉格]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 07:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[但有些人的自我人格认知一辈子的都稳定不下来，这大概和平常说的“艺术家气质”有些关系。]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>但有些人的自我人格认知一辈子的都稳定不下来，这大概和平常说的“艺术家气质”有些关系。</p>
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		<title>作者：辉格</title>
		<link>https://headsalon.org/archives/4361.html#comment-10383</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[辉格]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 07:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[我同意楼下三总说的，区别在于是否“内化”或内化的程度，也就是对“自我”之边界的认定，这个过程中是伴随着个人成长和教化过程的“人格确立”过程，在青春期后逐渐稳定下来，40岁之后就很少改变了。]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>我同意楼下三总说的，区别在于是否“内化”或内化的程度，也就是对“自我”之边界的认定，这个过程中是伴随着个人成长和教化过程的“人格确立”过程，在青春期后逐渐稳定下来，40岁之后就很少改变了。</p>
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		<title>作者：zhang3</title>
		<link>https://headsalon.org/archives/4361.html#comment-10371</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zhang3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 08:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[只有把 (2 希望社会认同) 内化到兴趣中,因为有社会认同让我更有兴趣,这样才容易避免价值观冲突,也许,通过一定的训练,这是可以做到的,但在训练和内化的过程中,也会有来自其他部分的反抗,并造成内心不适.----前面这些,似乎是在用很拗口的话说了一个老生常谈的过程-----社会化,或者,平庸化.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>只有把 (2 希望社会认同) 内化到兴趣中,因为有社会认同让我更有兴趣,这样才容易避免价值观冲突,也许,通过一定的训练,这是可以做到的,但在训练和内化的过程中,也会有来自其他部分的反抗,并造成内心不适.&#8212;-前面这些,似乎是在用很拗口的话说了一个老生常谈的过程&#8212;&#8211;社会化,或者,平庸化.</p>
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		<title>作者：zhang3</title>
		<link>https://headsalon.org/archives/4361.html#comment-10370</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zhang3]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 08:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1做某件事更能得到社会认同 2 我希望社会认同 3所以我要去做某事 ------  这个选择是在外界影响下做出的.     1 做某件事我有兴趣 2 所以我要去做某事  ------ 这个选择是自我所选择的,和内心的其他部分冲突会更小,前面的选择和后面的选择还是很不一样的,后面那个选择虽然也是自我所做出的,但是这种方式更容易造成价值观冲突]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1做某件事更能得到社会认同 2 我希望社会认同 3所以我要去做某事 &#8212;&#8212;  这个选择是在外界影响下做出的.     1 做某件事我有兴趣 2 所以我要去做某事  &#8212;&#8212; 这个选择是自我所选择的,和内心的其他部分冲突会更小,前面的选择和后面的选择还是很不一样的,后面那个选择虽然也是自我所做出的,但是这种方式更容易造成价值观冲突</p>
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		<title>作者：小橘子</title>
		<link>https://headsalon.org/archives/4361.html#comment-10366</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[小橘子]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 06:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;在《冷却》文中，你说：&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;“当你认为自己“发自内心的真正”喜欢某种事物或热爱某项事业时，这种偏爱并非如某些人所认为的那样，是从内心凭空而来的，事实上并不存在这样一个可以凭空产生偏好的“内心”，之所以让你觉得那是“真正属于自己的”，或许只是因为进化已将它们植入你的本能，或者你在童年时期便已从文化中习得。”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;从上面这段分析中可以隐约看出，你认为是否“真心喜欢”的两类行为，其界限并非截然可分，而是源于多层次人性内核的不同层次，这个层次区别不是二值的——内心、外界，而是多值的——你的皮球模型有8个层次。&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;在某种意义上，我同意你的看法，正如我把重视社会认同称为“本能的”。把不同的价值偏好用是否“内心的”“真正的”来区分，是一种本质主义的错误。&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;但另一方面，我想指出，人们通常所指的“内心的”、“真正的”，以及好莱坞文艺片所宣扬的那种“追寻真实的自我”，这些词语所意指的那个维度，很含糊，很难用语言确切地表达。在某些情况下，可能与“人性内核的层次”重合，在另一些情况下，则是指“对他人感受的重视程度”，还有时，和两者都没有关系。归纳起来，我认为可以说是“选择与价值的紧密程度”。&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;需要指出，对他人感受的重视程度，与人性内核的层次，不具有对应关系。重视他人感受的价值偏好，可以位于非常底层的人性内核上。例如，女性对忠贞的重视，与对志同道合者的吸引，前者即更重视他人感受，又很可能处于更底层的人性内核上。&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;下面回顾前面的例子。&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;报酬与做事的乐趣。简单起见，比成一个喜欢画画会编程的人面临的选择。首先，与“对他人感受的重视程度”关系不大（如果选择编程时考虑了报酬带来的社会地位，那么也有一定关系），与“人性内核的层次”的关系则与预测不相符。报酬所能带来的那些价值，恐怕比画画的乐趣，更加底层。然而，我们会认为这个人选择画画更加符合“真实的自我”，这是因为这种选择与其价值之间联系更紧密。&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;国企与外企。忍受勾心斗角与忍受加班，其与收入的紧密程度是相同的。在这个例子中，如果某人做选择时没有考虑他人的感受，那么并不会说哪个选择更加发自内心。但是，如果他因为考虑他人的愿望而选择某一个工作（国企、外企都可以，虽然在中国语境中他人愿望偏向国企的情况更常见），那么，就可以说，这个选择不是“发自内心”的。&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;全职与半职。这个选择与画画和编程类似，清闲的价值，比收入的价值更直接。清闲本身就是价值，而收入还要转化一步，才能变成使用收入带来的价值。&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;两个新例子。&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;让老婆呆在家和出去工作，对应占有欲和提高收入的选择。收入可以对应很多种价值——食欲、舒适、社会地位等，在人性内核上对应着不同层次，因此无法比较占有欲和收入带来的价值哪个更加底层。这里和“对他人感受的重视程度”也没有关系。这个例子里，有人认为让老婆呆在家是一种更加发自内心的选择，这是因为这种选择与其价值的联系更紧密。&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;廊桥遗梦中女主角的选择。这恐怕就是典型的好莱坞文艺片了。显然，跟着摄影师跑是追寻真实自我的选择，而她选择留在婚姻中，则是因为她重视丈夫、子女的感受。&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;总结起来，把选择编程、国企、全职、让老婆去工作、留在婚姻中称为不属于真实自我的选择，是一种本质主义的错误。（当然，实际上，又一次，我发现哲学上的错误是语言的含糊引起的。）但是，所谓“发自内心”“真实自我”与否，对应着一种（经过上述澄清，我想把它称为“确切的”）区别，这种区别并不是“价值的较底层”与否，而是“选择与价值的较紧密联系”与否。&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>在《冷却》文中，你说：</p>
<p>“当你认为自己“发自内心的真正”喜欢某种事物或热爱某项事业时，这种偏爱并非如某些人所认为的那样，是从内心凭空而来的，事实上并不存在这样一个可以凭空产生偏好的“内心”，之所以让你觉得那是“真正属于自己的”，或许只是因为进化已将它们植入你的本能，或者你在童年时期便已从文化中习得。”</p>
<p>从上面这段分析中可以隐约看出，你认为是否“真心喜欢”的两类行为，其界限并非截然可分，而是源于多层次人性内核的不同层次，这个层次区别不是二值的——内心、外界，而是多值的——你的皮球模型有8个层次。</p>
<p>在某种意义上，我同意你的看法，正如我把重视社会认同称为“本能的”。把不同的价值偏好用是否“内心的”“真正的”来区分，是一种本质主义的错误。</p>
<p>但另一方面，我想指出，人们通常所指的“内心的”、“真正的”，以及好莱坞文艺片所宣扬的那种“追寻真实的自我”，这些词语所意指的那个维度，很含糊，很难用语言确切地表达。在某些情况下，可能与“人性内核的层次”重合，在另一些情况下，则是指“对他人感受的重视程度”，还有时，和两者都没有关系。归纳起来，我认为可以说是“选择与价值的紧密程度”。</p>
<p>需要指出，对他人感受的重视程度，与人性内核的层次，不具有对应关系。重视他人感受的价值偏好，可以位于非常底层的人性内核上。例如，女性对忠贞的重视，与对志同道合者的吸引，前者即更重视他人感受，又很可能处于更底层的人性内核上。</p>
<p>下面回顾前面的例子。</p>
<p>报酬与做事的乐趣。简单起见，比成一个喜欢画画会编程的人面临的选择。首先，与“对他人感受的重视程度”关系不大（如果选择编程时考虑了报酬带来的社会地位，那么也有一定关系），与“人性内核的层次”的关系则与预测不相符。报酬所能带来的那些价值，恐怕比画画的乐趣，更加底层。然而，我们会认为这个人选择画画更加符合“真实的自我”，这是因为这种选择与其价值之间联系更紧密。</p>
<p>国企与外企。忍受勾心斗角与忍受加班，其与收入的紧密程度是相同的。在这个例子中，如果某人做选择时没有考虑他人的感受，那么并不会说哪个选择更加发自内心。但是，如果他因为考虑他人的愿望而选择某一个工作（国企、外企都可以，虽然在中国语境中他人愿望偏向国企的情况更常见），那么，就可以说，这个选择不是“发自内心”的。</p>
<p>全职与半职。这个选择与画画和编程类似，清闲的价值，比收入的价值更直接。清闲本身就是价值，而收入还要转化一步，才能变成使用收入带来的价值。</p>
<p>两个新例子。</p>
<p>让老婆呆在家和出去工作，对应占有欲和提高收入的选择。收入可以对应很多种价值——食欲、舒适、社会地位等，在人性内核上对应着不同层次，因此无法比较占有欲和收入带来的价值哪个更加底层。这里和“对他人感受的重视程度”也没有关系。这个例子里，有人认为让老婆呆在家是一种更加发自内心的选择，这是因为这种选择与其价值的联系更紧密。</p>
<p>廊桥遗梦中女主角的选择。这恐怕就是典型的好莱坞文艺片了。显然，跟着摄影师跑是追寻真实自我的选择，而她选择留在婚姻中，则是因为她重视丈夫、子女的感受。</p>
<p>总结起来，把选择编程、国企、全职、让老婆去工作、留在婚姻中称为不属于真实自我的选择，是一种本质主义的错误。（当然，实际上，又一次，我发现哲学上的错误是语言的含糊引起的。）但是，所谓“发自内心”“真实自我”与否，对应着一种（经过上述澄清，我想把它称为“确切的”）区别，这种区别并不是“价值的较底层”与否，而是“选择与价值的较紧密联系”与否。</p>
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		<title>作者：辉格</title>
		<link>https://headsalon.org/archives/4361.html#comment-10349</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[辉格]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[同意，类似的意思其实我在《冷却时代的文化禀赋》里也表达过了，在哲学基础上撇清了二元论之后，这样的区分还是很有意义的]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>同意，类似的意思其实我在《冷却时代的文化禀赋》里也表达过了，在哲学基础上撇清了二元论之后，这样的区分还是很有意义的</p>
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		<title>作者：辉格</title>
		<link>https://headsalon.org/archives/4361.html#comment-10348</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[辉格]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[而且通常也有更多的共同话题可供吵架]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>而且通常也有更多的共同话题可供吵架</p>
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		<title>作者：辉格</title>
		<link>https://headsalon.org/archives/4361.html#comment-10347</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[辉格]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[这些派系我不大弄得清楚，不过主张接近的派系争斗更凶，这是有的，因为他们在观念市场上构成了更直接的竞争嘛，他们的潜在赞助金主重合的可能性也更大]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>这些派系我不大弄得清楚，不过主张接近的派系争斗更凶，这是有的，因为他们在观念市场上构成了更直接的竞争嘛，他们的潜在赞助金主重合的可能性也更大</p>
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		<title>作者：辉格</title>
		<link>https://headsalon.org/archives/4361.html#comment-10346</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[辉格]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 18:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[有点文化/制度虚无主义的意思，虚无主义一词用法很多，且通常是以“某某虚无主义”的形式，以表明它所拒绝的是哪种实体。]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>有点文化/制度虚无主义的意思，虚无主义一词用法很多，且通常是以“某某虚无主义”的形式，以表明它所拒绝的是哪种实体。</p>
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		<title>作者：辉格</title>
		<link>https://headsalon.org/archives/4361.html#comment-10342</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[辉格]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 16:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[嗯，有一阵了，豆瓣改了API，我还没来得及做相应修改]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>嗯，有一阵了，豆瓣改了API，我还没来得及做相应修改</p>
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		<title>作者：小橘子</title>
		<link>https://headsalon.org/archives/4361.html#comment-10338</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[小橘子]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 14:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[我好像天生地被“真正的人性与自我”吸引，天生被夏山和大理吸引，这可能和我天生看淡物质享受有关。毕竟，社会认同的主要意义就是物质繁荣。有时候我也确实感觉到，虽然人们通常会选择正规的人生道路，但假如他们有机会尝试一种更自我的生活，也许很多人会感到后者更幸福。]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>我好像天生地被“真正的人性与自我”吸引，天生被夏山和大理吸引，这可能和我天生看淡物质享受有关。毕竟，社会认同的主要意义就是物质繁荣。有时候我也确实感觉到，虽然人们通常会选择正规的人生道路，但假如他们有机会尝试一种更自我的生活，也许很多人会感到后者更幸福。</p>
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		<title>作者：小橘子</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 13:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[当然了，重视社会认同的远期效果不全是社会繁荣。在任何一个时期，都有一些社会规范是落伍的，即将被抛弃的，还有一些是机会主义的。追寻自我的一部分道德高尚感来自对落伍的坏的社会规范的抵制。]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>当然了，重视社会认同的远期效果不全是社会繁荣。在任何一个时期，都有一些社会规范是落伍的，即将被抛弃的，还有一些是机会主义的。追寻自我的一部分道德高尚感来自对落伍的坏的社会规范的抵制。</p>
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